http://undergroundsquare.com/ Talking where the sun don't shine en Mon, 21 May 2012 00:12:24 +0000 http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=775#post-6314 Thu, 15 Mar 2012 04:25:56 +0000 Garrick 6314@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p><img src="http://www.aedes.us/f/Iadp.jpg"> </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=752#post-6272 Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:47:45 +0000 dienasty 6272@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>Yes, you're right, of course. My fault. Will be working on it this December. </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=752#post-6271 Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:07:42 +0000 Kubuk 6271@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>This place is dead. Don't know why I bother to reply now though.. </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=752#post-6268 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:01:07 +0000 tsar 6268@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/opinion/kristof-girls-just-want-to-go-to-school.html?_r=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/opinion/kristof-girls-just-want-to-go-to-school.html?_r=2</a></p> <p><blockquote>Every day, she helps her little brother and sister with their homework first and then completes her own. Sometimes she doesn’t collapse into bed until 11 p.m., only to rouse herself four hours later.</p> <p>On Sundays, Phung sleeps in. As she explained: “I don’t get up till 5.” </blockquote> </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=739#post-6257 Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:04:15 +0000 jessicaknows 6257@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>@LiZ We exist. When it's convenient for the people to acknowledge us.</p> <p>LMAO</p> <p>@Eli We do stuff. But stuff that when looking back, feels pointless to me. </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=742#post-6256 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:39:43 +0000 aquavires 6256@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>"Tabloid" is ill-defined (according to Wikipedia), but I presume we're talking about the tabloids that are associated with regular sensationalism, and a great focus on celebs.</p> <p>My impression is that tabloid reporters and "journalists" are held to different standards; although distortions for sensationalism is expected of tabloids, professional accuracy is expected of newspapers (has anyone experienced differently?) So, in light of readers' trust of their accuracy, it's unacceptable for newspapers to distort info (a few examples found <a href="http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/19/bad-science-ben-goldacre?cat=commentisfree&amp;type=article">here</a>). The author of that article argues that requiring journalists to link to primary sources will stop them from wilful distortion.</p> <p>I'd like my news sources to be trustworthy, but am not interested in tabloids (or gossip mags), so I do distinguish the reporter types. </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=743#post-6255 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 09:08:30 +0000 LiZaRdboi88 6255@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>Ooooohhhh. New thing to watch out for! </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=743#post-6254 Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:09:43 +0000 dienasty 6254@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>Tay pointed me to this <a href="http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/7/25/nation/20110725161651&amp;sec=nation">Star article</a> just a couple of minutes ago.</p> <p><img src="http://www.thestar.com.my/archives/2011/7/25/nation/018749078.jpg"></p> <p>What do you think of these? They're ... smaller. Prettier, too. </p> <p>I think I like them. </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=742#post-6253 Sun, 24 Jul 2011 23:39:44 +0000 tsar 6253@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>Do you make a distinction between journalists and reporters for tabloids such as the sun (uk)? </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=742#post-6252 Sun, 24 Jul 2011 15:01:13 +0000 aquavires 6252@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>Many of us in UGS are tertiary students, and are probably familiar with the referencing we're required to do for our assignments. Academics (be they in science, economy, humanities, etc.) are required to reference others' work. Some book authors do it voluntarily. How come journalists, who're relied on for global information, aren't expected to do the same?</p> <p><a href="http://bengoldacre.posterous.com/if-you-dont-link-to-primary-sources-you-are-d">This blogger</a> argues for not just any references, but primary sources.</p> <p><blockquote>If you don't link to primary sources, you are dead to me, I do not trust you. There is a high risk that you chose not to link it, because you're hiding something:<br /> 1. that you didn't read the primary source, and are reporting what it said second hand;<br /> 2. that you're misrepresenting the primary source, either because you didn't read it or because you intend to deceive;<br /> 3. in the case of newspaper articles copied and pasted from press releases, you're hiding the fact that you plagiarised commercial promotional content.</blockquote></p> <p>What do you guys think? Are newspapers trustworthy enough to be exempt from referencing primary sources? On print media, would the extra space taken up by a reference list be worth it? </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=737#post-6251 Sun, 24 Jul 2011 14:25:37 +0000 aquavires 6251@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>I think there's sometimes a difference between what something "is worth" and how much we're willing to pay for it (...How to measure the worth of a commodity is a different question). For example, oxygen is arguably the most valuable gas to humans, as we'd drop dead without it. However, I don't know anyone in Malaysia or Australia who'd be willing to pay a cent for it. A marketer MIGHT successfully sell it to residents of Linfen, China, who report that they regularly choke on coal dust from the mines.</p> <p>Closer to the topic of the video... celebrities pay top money to employ Social Media Managers. Are they paying for:<br /> a) What the managers are worth?<br /> b) What the managers' time is worth?<br /> c) What the relationships with their fans are worth?<br /> d) What the money that happy fans bring is worth? </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=741#post-6250 Sun, 24 Jul 2011 09:31:31 +0000 dienasty 6250@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>Possibly the best news story I've read in a long time. (And what a great last sentence!) </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=739#post-6249 Sun, 24 Jul 2011 09:30:42 +0000 dienasty 6249@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>The only thing the student representative council does in my University is complain. ;-)</p> <p>(I kid, of course, but the last time we heard a lot of noise from them was when NUS announced they were investing their reserves aka our school fees in a basket of funds. Or something of the like.) </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=739#post-6248 Sat, 23 Jul 2011 12:44:28 +0000 LiZaRdboi88 6248@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>@Joanne: lol SRC/MPP/MPM a.k.a. the student body that exist and doesn't exist at the same time. Especially so if it's M'sian public university.</p> <p>Yup. That's what I think of them based of my 3 years as undegrad and 1 year as postgrad in USM. </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=739#post-6247 Sat, 23 Jul 2011 06:25:38 +0000 Xon 6247@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>Joanne, do you mean "Lawyer Letter" in layman's terms? </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=741#post-6246 Sat, 23 Jul 2011 03:50:07 +0000 tsar 6246@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p><a href="http://sg.news.yahoo.com/female-salon-owner-keeps-robber-sex-slave-feeding-074453043.html" rel="nofollow">http://sg.news.yahoo.com/female-salon-owner-keeps-robber-sex-slave-feeding-074453043.html</a> </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=737#post-6245 Sat, 23 Jul 2011 03:46:10 +0000 tsar 6245@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>Mmm so we're actually paying for sensory stimulation. That's very interesting. </p> <p>Well you're straying dangerously close to saying that even commodities are only worth as much as we think they are. In a way I agree with you, but in another way I have to say that certain things have an intrinsic worth to us, by their very nature of sustaining us. Clean water, for instance. </p> <p>But this is really interesting. Perhaps something of the like might be in my neuroscience course next year. </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=739#post-6244 Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:27:06 +0000 jessicaknows 6244@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>@Cedric: I'm in the Student Representative Council</p> <p>I agree though, they keep filing defamation suits against each other. :/ </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=739#post-6243 Fri, 22 Jul 2011 03:10:16 +0000 dienasty 6243@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>@Joanne: eh? o.O What do you mean?</p> <p>@Zhe Rong: Good point. It seems like there's less talk on actual policies, more talk on rubbish like this politician said this, that politician said that, he should apologize for what he said, no you apologize first! and all that kind of crap.</p> <p>Why do we even read the Home pages of our newspapers, I wonder. </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=740#post-6242 Fri, 22 Jul 2011 03:08:33 +0000 dienasty 6242@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>@Orenzai: Exactly! My question being, if they did not do anything. If they did not bar the way, or hit people with water cannons, would the march have just gone on as expected?</p> <p>The Government's intervention makes things worse, and it puzzles me to no end. <em>Why</em> did they step in? Why couldn't they just take a step back and let it happen, naturally?</p> <p>@Tzelun: Mainstream media? What coverage do you speak of? ;-) [They didn't spend much time on it, if I recall correctly]</p> <p>But a man died, and many more suffered light injuries from police brutality. It's possibly the worse thing the Government could have going for it, especially before the elections. I don't get it. I don't get them. </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=739#post-6241 Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:00:21 +0000 LiZaRdboi88 6241@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>Not really giving much fecks about it apart of knowing general outline of who's and what's. It's hard to get any "news" about Malaysian politic today when both mainstream and alternative media are all ideologically fueled and full of junk drama. It's getting harder to sieve any content at all!</p> <p>The actual part of Malaysian politic that I will follow closely though if it's about Sarawak...and its position in the Fed of Msia. </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=739#post-6240 Thu, 21 Jul 2011 05:38:16 +0000 jessicaknows 6240@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>Unfortunately, I'm in it. :&lt; sort of. </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=740#post-6239 Wed, 20 Jul 2011 16:26:26 +0000 tzelun 6239@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>At no point in time was the crowd <strong>not</strong> peaceful - even with all the harassment from the riot police.</p> <p>Believe nothing on what you read from Malaysian mainstream media. </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=740#post-6238 Wed, 20 Jul 2011 16:17:04 +0000 orenzai 6238@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>If you looked at the videos. The police/FRU were trying to disperse the crowd from proceeding with a peaceful march. Teargas, Chemical-laced water canon. Into the hospital nonetheless. Ridiculous. </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=740#post-6237 Wed, 20 Jul 2011 02:04:06 +0000 dienasty 6237@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>This has been bothering me for a bit now, so I'd like to toss it out here: if the Government chose not to make such a big fuss about the Bersih Rally, and say, they were allowed to protest however they wanted (with police presence on the street like in Australia and Hong Kong to guide the crowd to the preplanned destination) would the rally have turned out to be peaceful? </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=739#post-6236 Wed, 20 Jul 2011 02:01:54 +0000 dienasty 6236@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>Because I am. Terribly so. </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=737#post-6235 Wed, 20 Jul 2011 02:00:23 +0000 dienasty 6235@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>Or ebooks, for that matter. Heck, we might as well question money: is money real? The US Dollar is no longer backed by gold, or anything solid. It's just an idea in our heads that it's worth something. And it in fact depends on that idea to be of any value.</p> <p>Similarly, if we're all World of Warcraft players, and we each want to buy a house, and there are limited houses in town, then houses, too, are accorded value of their own. </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=738#post-6234 Wed, 20 Jul 2011 01:58:36 +0000 dienasty 6234@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>From the blurb: Directed by photographer Tony Kelly for American Apparel, featuring world renowned breakdancers Jalen Testerman and Lil Demon</p> <p><a href="http://www.vimeo.com/24580218" rel="nofollow">http://www.vimeo.com/24580218</a></p> <p>I had no idea there were world renowned kid breakdancers. Nevertheless, the human body in motion is a wonderful thing to marvel at. </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=737#post-6233 Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:49:24 +0000 tsar 6233@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>My apologies, I wasn't clear. What I actually meant were online goods with that, quite simply, aren't real. Things like gaming upgrades, or even virtual real estate (c.f. Second Life). </p> <p>But your post made me question if movies and any other form of entertainment is "real". </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=737#post-6232 Tue, 19 Jul 2011 03:41:33 +0000 Xon 6232@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>My friends in China even bought junk foods online. </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=737#post-6231 Tue, 19 Jul 2011 01:20:11 +0000 jessicaknows 6231@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>I buy online goods. The things I want aren't always necessarily sold in places near me. For instance, Jim Butcher's The Dresden Files. Bookstores rarely, if ever, stock the entire series if they do at all. So I order it online.</p> <p>Same goes with cosplay props like wigs.... </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=737#post-6230 Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:07:59 +0000 tsar 6230@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>I still don't get why people buy online good though. </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=737#post-6229 Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:28:43 +0000 dienasty 6229@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>That's a great song, and a very inspiring (sobering?) video. </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=737#post-6228 Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:09:28 +0000 orenzai 6228@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0EnhXn5boM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0EnhXn5boM</a> </p> http://undergroundsquare.com/topic.php?id=736#post-6227 Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:23:52 +0000 dienasty 6227@http://undergroundsquare.com/ <p>I thought this was going to be lame, but I was wrong (the music makes everything amazing, trust me):</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-1F-CokXNU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-1F-CokXNU</a> </p>